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23 October 2003 @ 01:43 pm
Fan as in Fanatic. What's your definition?
If someone were to say they were a fan of a certain thing.. or belong to a certain fandom, what would it entail?
Does this mean they religiously follow multiple bands, since it is a genre in general? If they follow a few old bands, but don't really follow new stuff, do they still qualify as a fan?
How about being fans of X number of bands, but not knowing all their stats by heart? EX: I am a big fan of Buck-Tick, but for the life of me, I can't name all the members at once, and I can't name every song I hear. If it's a song I've heard, I can recognize it as a B-T song, and I might even be able to tell you what album it came from, but I can only idendify a handful of songs by name. (Listen to the CDs mostly in my car, and don't stare at a tracklisting as I drive, sorry) So. Does this make me any less of a fan?
(We'll continue using Buck-Tick as an example here, for the sake of the questions, but any number of things can be plugged in here) If I called myself a B-T fan, what would that entail?
Would is simply boil down to an enjoyment of the music, or would there be other qualifiers?
Would it be somthing quanitfied in the ammount of merchandise owned or the number of albums owned?
Is it even somthing you can stick your finger on?

In any case.. notice I didn't even ask if it had anything to do with prefering the band's image :P (Not nessesarily because B-T is an aging band.. lol.. but more because I think it's easier to define fandom of "bandX" as enjoyment of the music the band makes, and not the image it has.)

Just kind of curious. This has been rattling around in my head for a few days, and I'd like to hear other people's opinions & definitions on fandom.
Use manga, anime, music, or whatever your prevalent fandom is. I'd like to think the definitions for this are pretty universal anyway. Guess I'll have to wait and see.
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yurikago: ⌒yurikago on October 23rd, 2003 01:03 pm (UTC)
I think the entire question is sort of silly, because to me fandom doesn't entail anything specific except for liking something (any sort of media, of course) a great deal which should cause you pleasure, so you think about it a lot or listen/read/watch a lot. Some side effects of say, Buck-Tick fandom: Learning facts about them, buying their CDs, reading song titles to the point of memorization. These just seem like possible side effects of fandom to me, and not prerequisites.

If the question relates even partially to the way people seem to constantly use the internet to accuse each other of not being real fans of something, I guess the only way (in my opinion) that they would be right about it would be if the accused person is only pretending to like something they call themselves a fan of. However, it wouldn't matter how many CDs they had or song titles they knew. Someone can truly love Buck-Tick without buying CDs, it just means their priorities are totally different from someone who loves them and does buy CDs. Either they have something else more important to buy or it just doesn't matter to them to try to support say, Buck-Tick. (haha, how many times can i repeat what example I am using?) Or maybe they just don't like to own material possessions at all? There could be any number of reasons why someone would express their fandom differently from someone else.

I buy CDs by the bands I am a fan of because it matters more to me than anything else to buy, so I guess I'm just a different type of person from someone who would like the same bands but buy nothing.
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HIDE your facekyonomiko on October 23rd, 2003 05:44 pm (UTC)
I could say I'm a Sailor Pluto fan until I'm blue in the face, but some people may not consider me a "true" fan unless I know her imaginary weight, height, measurements, birthdate and blood type, etcetc. XP
HIDE your facekyonomiko on October 23rd, 2003 05:46 pm (UTC)
I've noticed that the J-rock "scene" here in the US has been getting really negative the past few months. Some of the little groups are becoming so elitist that unless you know say, the exact set list of the live played 10 years ago.. you're not a true fan... which I just think is bogus.. because I don't think the band itself would think that was important.. as long as they appreciated the music and got the mesage of the music, you know?
Yakuzaishiakuma_shinzo on October 24th, 2003 12:16 am (UTC)
exact set list of the live played 10 years ago....uuuumm, Yeah, that's interesting@.@ ..I just like thier music... would be my response. The degree of my enjoyment of the music isn't determined by what I do or do not know of the artist.

The Rabid Elite Fanatic:
Perhaps thier argument would be- I can prove I enjoy thier music more better than you because I know the exact set list of the live played 10 years ago! Maybe they enjoy the fact that they know more useless crap to show off to other elitists than the music itself.

Whatever...I just like thier music...
yurikago: §yurikago on October 24th, 2003 10:56 am (UTC)
That's just crap. I don't care about any of that elitist crap. I feel elite in my own little way because I am sensible enough not to care about it and to just enjoy the music I love to the fullest.
Masakorasenyuugi on October 24th, 2003 11:01 am (UTC)
Really I'd say it just boils down to having an interest in something as well as a certain level of enthusiasm about it. After that it just breaks down into subcategories determined by where one's primary interest was. If someone enjoys memorizing things about a band ranging from song titles and their height and weight to where they have lunch and what kind of undergarments they wear more than they enjoy the band's image or music then that would make them more of a fan of trivia related to the band. They're still a fan of the band of course just by having some degree of interest in them. Their trivia knowledge doesn't diminish their appreciation of any other things about the band that they may have an interest in, it's just their primary area of interest. Considering that the point of bands is to make music (and/or $$$) I'd think most bands that care would probably want people to be interested in them mainly for their music though.
HIDE your facekyonomiko on October 24th, 2003 05:08 pm (UTC)
Very nicely put! That's essentially how I feel about it, too.
I don't think I could have worded it as well, though ~..^