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07 January 2008 @ 04:15 pm
I am over the ick, I think  
I went in to the doc's again today for lab work. I think I'm mostly over my cold now. I figured I would wake up today feeling 100% awesome, but I only woke up feeling about 85% awesome. Boo. Hopefully tomorrow, my awesome levels will be higher. I have a wedding next week.. and I get to wait on my lab results, but they're probably all normal, same as last year. This leaves dentist and cat to take care of and I'll get most of my life-maintenance stuff taken care of for the year, nice and early. I still have student loan BS to deal with, but this year is off to a good start so far. D:
 
 
 
Sparkysparkykc99 on January 8th, 2008 05:03 am (UTC)
Hi! Sorry to hear you're not feeling 100% awesome but I happened to stumble upon your lj from the http://www.paper-wings.org/ website :) I found the feathered wing tutorial off of there and was really interested in trying it out but I had a few questions. Would you be so kind to direct me to someone that might be able to help me? I tried e-mailing the address at the end of the tutorial, ringo@paper-wings.org but after looking at the site, I'm not sure if that person still checks that e-mail address. Thanks much and hope you feel 100% awesome tomorrow! :D
HIDE your facekyonomiko on January 9th, 2008 06:44 am (UTC)
The three of us do check those emails, but not all the time. Ringo& Makoto wrote the tutorial for that one, but I've made 3-4 sets of wings using our method, so I can probably answer any questions you have :D Feel free to reach me here and I'll get back to you relatively quickly :)

Edited at 2008-01-09 06:44 am (UTC)
Sparkysparkykc99 on January 9th, 2008 03:55 pm (UTC)
Pasting the e-mail that I had sent originally :) Thanks again for the help! Main questions deal with making sure all of the materials are available because it seems silly to start working on it and invest money only to realize I'm missing something crucial.

"Hi! I was browsing the internet and have always been very interested in making a pair of angel wings after seeing the VS fashion shows. I found a few tutorials online but I found this to be the easiest looking and similar to what I would like to make. I don't want to make a very large set of wings but rather something small and manageable.

I had a few questions when I was reading the tutorial since I'm in the preparation phase and wanted to outline everything and make sure I definitely wanted to go ahead and make these.

Wing Rounds -1/4 pound Left, 1/4 pound Right = $32 (Have to order a 1lb.)
1/3 pound Flats - $13
1 Marabou Trim - ?

1 lb of wing rounds is good for 350 feathers, about how many feathers did the tutorial wings use? Will I be using like 150+ feathers for a set?

What is a Marabou Trim? It appears I can only order 1/2 lb of it. Do I need that much? Do I want Hand Picked or Parried? Or am I looking at the wrong set of feathers? It says 1 Marabou Trim, or do I buy this from somewhere else and just get 1 trim?

After ordering all of the feathers it looks like it will be about 50 dollars worth of feathers? Is that about right?

Chicken wire - Home Depot?
Copper tubing - 1/4 in - Home Depot?
Fabrictac - Large Bottle (trust me you'll use it all) - Found on Joanns website
Duct tape - Home Depot
Craft batting (not stuffing) - ??? No idea
Work Gloves - Home Depot
Wire cutters - Home Depot
Large and small pliers - Home Depot
Trim/Ribbon/Bias Tape (not shown) to cover your harness - Craft Store

Is there a reference to something online that I can see what craft batting is? I have an AC moore, Joanns and Michael's all around my house but none of their websites have anything like that from browsing their website. I went to Joanns and they directed me to quilt batting which I think is the stuffing that you said not to use.

After all is done and finished, I was curious about how much time invested did it take to do this and how much a pair of wings cost? I'm assuming since not all of the feathers are used, the feathers ordered may allow me to make 2-3 pairs of wings or maybe more?

Thanks again and sorry for all of the questions :) Just wanted to make sure I had everything that I needed before starting this project."
HIDE your face: COSPLAY!kyonomiko on January 9th, 2008 11:31 pm (UTC)
Ok, I think I can answer most of these for you :)
Marabou- This is for covering the "spine" of your wings. if you're making a smaller pair, like in our tutorial, you don't need a whole lot.
http://www.rainbowfeatherco.com/boas.HTM
It looks like the white is on sale right now, and you'd only need one of these, cut in half, to cover a smaller pair.
The girls may have used a special marabou trim on theirs, but I've used the boas just fine as well.

Cotton batting- You want the stuff that is in one big rolled-up sheet in a plastic bag. Quilt Batting is probably the same exact thing. Basically, this covers the chicken wire skeleton of your wings, and you want it in sheets. The other type of cotton filler that you can get is loose, and it's like one huge fluffy peice of cotton candy. This type will not work, because it won't hold everything together. You attach the batting to the chicken wire, and the feathers to the batting, so if they point you to the quilt batting and it's in a big sheet, that's what you need :)
I've purchased it at both hobby lobby and jo ann's before, and you can probably get it at michael's too.

As for time.. I can't really say. I made two pairs back to back one weekend when I had a little help, but you have to factor drying time into the wings. It's a project that I'd camp out on the floor with and just work on while watching a movie. In order to glue more feathers on, sometimes you need to take a break and let everything dry. You want at least one good overnight-dry before you wear them, so if I were you, I'd set aside at least 3-4 working days on them since it's your first pair. You could do it over two weekends, or a few sessions each weeknight.

Copper tubing- You can indeed find this at Home Depot and/or Lowe's. I've bought it from both places before. You'll find it in the plumbing section, and you can usually buy small spools pretty cheaply.

As for price/feathers/etc..
I am swimming in feathers. Buy the bare minimum you need for a purchase order. Since they sell feathers by weight, you'll get a lot more than you are expecting. If you buy 1/2 lb of lefts and 1/2 lb of rights, I think you could easily make 3-4 small sets of wings, or 2 pairs of medium wings. (For ones that are a little larger than the tutorial wings, use the same method, but buy a slightly larger gauge of copper tubing to help hold the weight) It's been a while since I've made some, but I think that's what I bought when I was making grey Haibane wings. I made three sets, and had enough for at least another 2 pairs.

I have a few pictures of bigger ones that I made. It's the same exact method, but larger copper tubing. The harness is a little different, with two seperate wing peices put together by bolting an upside-down U shape in between them. Heavy duty stuff. For your first pair, i'd probably stick with smaller ones like in the tutorial, but these photos are good reference for the chicken wire/batting
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=414551
http://images.cosplay.com/showphoto.php?photo=414549
Sparkysparkykc99 on January 10th, 2008 05:53 am (UTC)
Very grateful for the time put in to respond. I figured it was the quilt batting because if you hadn't responded, I was gonna most likely give it a whirl anyway to try it out.

Looks like it's time to go shopping for some things and start ordering some feathers :D I'm most likely gonna see if I can split the order with white and black feathers or if they just bag 1/2 lb left and it has to be all one color.

Looks like this is gonna be lots of fun and hopefully mine come out ok!

My inspiration: http://myworld.ebay.com/eproductsales/

The tutorial on your site showed me that I might just be able to actually make something nice looking :D I kinda like the way they made the straps so I'll have to see if I can make some sort of nice ribbon covered fabric so they're wearable.
Sparkysparkykc99 on January 11th, 2008 06:06 am (UTC)
Hrm one last check before I send in my order for feathers. Gonna have to ask them if I can split it between a mix of white and black feathers, or if I can only get all white or all black.

(If allowed to get a mix of white and black)
1 lb Turkey Wing Rounds - Hen - $32 (Should I get Hen or Tom? They're the same price)
- 1/2 Left - 1/2 of them White, 1/2 of them Black
- 1/2 Right - 1/2 of them White, 1/2 of them Black

1/3 lb Flats Loose - $13
- 1/2 white, 1/2 black

2 Marabou Boa - 14 Gram - White - $6
2 Marabou Boa - 15 Gram - Black - $7

*****
(If I can't get a mix of white and black)

1 lb Turkey Wing Rounds - Hen - $32
- 1/2 Left - White
- 1/2 Right - White

1/3 lb Flats Loose - White - $13

3 Marabou Boa - 14 Gram - White - $9

*****
Thanks again for the help. I figure if I can get a mix of black and white, I can make a few sets of smaller wings, maybe 2-3 in white and 2-3 in black. If not, then I'll just make everything white and see what I have left over. I can always order more feathers later. I think the other materials should be easy to come by, then it's just determining how I want to arrange the feathers and how big I want them.
HIDE your face: cosplaykyonomiko on January 11th, 2008 05:17 pm (UTC)
iirc, the tom feathers are slightly larger and it's what I usually order. If you call them and talk to them, they're usually very helpful. I'm not sure how they'll split things, but they're very nice so I'm sure they'll help you come up with somthing.
Feel free to ask any more questions as you're making them, and show us pictures after you're done :)
Sparkysparkykc99 on January 23rd, 2008 07:44 pm (UTC)
I forgot to post a reply to you last time :)

I ordered the feathers so hopefully once they get stock of the feathers in, I'll get it by early next week. I think I found the copper tubing that you were talking about in Home Depot. Came in like a spool similar to the one you had in the tutorial picture. If it comes out well, was discussing cosplay options for Otakon and he wants to try cosplaying Devil Jin lol. I'll be sure to take pics :)